Just picked up 2000 190 LR hybrids to try out. Not everyone was idle; Remington announced a new magnum cartridge in 1978: the 8mm Remington Magnum. The 8mm Remington Magnum belted rifle cartridge was introduced by Remington Arms Company in 1978 as a new chambering for the model 700 BDL rifle. The .338 RUM is a well balanced cartridge ideal for hunting large bodied game at close to extended ranges. In addition, while the 8mm bore is a perfectly viable choice for the big-game hunter, American shooters are historically hesitant to embrace metric calibers. The first two hits are 7mm hornady 162gr Eldm impacts. 7mm Rem Mag vs 300 Win Mag – Comparing Cartridge Sizes The differences between the 7mm Rem Magnum and the .300 Winchester Magnum rounds are shown in the table above. JavaScript is disabled. If you could have one, which would choose? I feel those are the biggest man portable systems to hike in with and not rely on a atv or utv. I love the 7 Rem Mag. The late 1970s wasn’t an especially notable period in cartridge development; like much else during that period of economic stagnation, there just weren’t a whole lot of new releases. Being a “seasoned” hunter, I am naturally drawn to classic knives and firearms. If I could go back in time I’d have never got into the .338 Lapua, or the 28 Nosler for that matter, and have just stuck with the 7RM. 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Ballistics comparison video between the 7mm Remington Magnum vs the 300 Winchester Magnum. Powders with a burn rate of IMR4350 or slower should give you the results you’re after, and since the cartridge more than likely won’t be see high volume use, a couple hundred pieces of brass could last for decades. Mag. Well I passed on the 8mm Rem Mag. Based on the full-length .375 Holland & Holland belted case, Remington’s 8mm Magnum represented the first commercial 8mm magnum cartridge to be introduced by an American firm. I have narrowed it down to 7mm or 300 win mag. tominboise. The primary difference between the 338 Win mag and the Lapua is in performance. The case design was therefore very similar to the .300 Weatherby Magnum but differing in shoulder shape and angle. The 7mm shoots .284-inch diameter bullets through bores .28-inch across, but only two use this Imperial measuring system in their titles: .280 Remington and .284 Winchester, both excellent but under-rated “standard” velocity cartridges. Cartridge (Wb@MV) Rifle Weight: Recoil energy: Recoil velocity.17 HMR (17 at 2550) 7.5: 0.2: n/a.17 Hornet (20 at 3650) 8.5: 0.6: 2.0.17 Rem. It is a beltless, rebated rim cartridge based on the .300 Remington Ultra Magnum case shortened .090" and necked-up to accept a 0.338-inch (.338 caliber) bullet. After looking at the .338 Win Mag more closely I see that I can load lite, 200 gr-220 gr bullets and not give up a noticeable differanace to the 8mm Mags velocity. (25 at 4000) 8.5 Page 2 of 3 < Prev 1 2 3 Next > Sav .250 Member. was born. vs. 338. As well as our in-depth look at the 7mm Remmington Magnum. If you do reload, .338 lapua is still going to be expensive. We shot and compared three popular options to help you decide on the best elk cartridge for your style of hunting Yes, there is a greater frontal diameter with the 8mm, but the .30-caliber offers a higher sectional density. Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by appalachian hunter, Feb 11, 2015. certainly delivers magnum performance, yet isn’t grossly overbore; however, the best ballistics and accuracy seem to come from the 26-inch barrels. This allowed Remington to keep within their preferred cartridge overall length of 3.600” (91.4mm), the M700 action having a magazine … There are plenty of good bullets available, brass is available from a couple of good sources and handloading the Big 8 isn’t a difficult prospect at all. Several have reported kills with a .243 and the … Not surprisingly, there are some significant differences in the ballistics of the three cartridges. The 300 win mag was brought out to replicate the 300 H&H; same performance in a shorter action. Other guns I have are 270 Wby, 416 Rem 45-70 and smaller calibers. i am new to reloading an not to worried about doing this any … In 1980, Remington decided there was consumer demand for a commercial version of the 7mm-.308 wildcat, and the 7mm-08 Rem. The ballistics chart below compares the trajectory of Hornady Precision Hunter and Winchester Expedition Big Game and factory loads for each cartridge. Myself, I use the 300 H&H for deer and elk and the 338 win for moose and bear. On the other end, the .338 Winchester Magnum offers a selection of bullets from 185 grains to 250 grains; while the 8mm gives a shooter the option of the lighter 125- and 150-grain bullets—the big 8mm Magnum will absolutely give the best results with bullets from 170 grains to 220 grains. 7mm Mag no question about it. Something I can find factory ammo for at local places and want to use it for maybe hunting but also long range. will supersede the velocities of the .30-06 Springfield ; though the ’06 can use heavier bullets, the 7mm of equal weight will offer a better Sectional Density. 338LM. I want a magnum big caliber but what would you choose. The 8mm Remington Magnum's parent case is the .375 H&H Magnum.It is a very long and powerful cartridge that cannot be used in standard length actions, such as those that accommodate the .30-06 Springfield. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .338 Lapua Magnum vs 7mm-08 Remington ammo rounds. Easier on the wallet, shoulder, and barrels. I want a magnum caliber but sont want to get into the chytac or something crazy. That introduction was, I’m guessing, retaliation against Remington’s 1962 release of its equally famous 7mm Remington Magnum. The 7mm Remington Magnum drives the wide variety of 7mm bullets, from 120 to 175 grains, at respectable velocities. If I can find it at every place I've looked, I'm going to sell 2 6.5 creedmoor rifles and building one from short action precision, you should be one of each maybe two one to use and a back up. I have a .338 Win mag now and was thinking of selling it and buying a .350 Rem Mag. In comercial rounds the 7mm STW is hard to beat. 338 is easier to spot at distance. These will give substantially better performance than the 308 and won't burn barrels nearly as fast as the 7mm mag. 338 Win Mag vs 300 Win Mag vs 338 Lapua Ballistics. It’s not the fault of the design; with a 25-degree shoulder for good headspacing—the belt is just a carryover from the H&H design and serves no real purpose—the case capacity of the 8mm Remington Magnum is a good match for the bore diameter. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 1.- 7mm Rem Mag Browning X-Bolt Stainless Stalker 2.- 7mm Rem Ultra Mag Remington 700 XCR RMEF I'm considering changing the barrel on the Remington700 for a .338 Broughton 5C so instead of having a 7mm Rem Ultra Mag maybe a .338 EDGE would be a nice addition to my collection. Since the 7mm-08 and .308 share the same parent case with almost identical capacities, this is more a battle of 7mm versus .30 caliber projectiles than it is about case design. would it be possible to resize the neck up to .338 for my 338 win mag? 7mm can be quite fun at a 1.5 miles and further and are really enjoying to shoot. Also what are some opinions on the 7mm rem mag vs 7mm rem ultra mag. Joined: Jun 5, 2007 Messages: 3,732 Location: Central Fla. You put yourself in a … Was just wondering how they compare? Like all 7mms, they can fire bullets as light as 100-grains and as heavy as 180-grains. The 8mm (.323-inch) bore diameter uses bullets weighing between 125 and 220 grains, and the big Remington case can certainly push them to a respectable velocity, but the immediate comparisons were drawn to both the .300 Winchester Magnum and the .338 Winchester Magnum. The 338 is a 33 cal magnum that just punches a bigger hole than the 300 . an example is both of them with a 150 grain bullet, and also same bullet type. Mag. 375 Ruger vs 338 Win Mag for AK 11-30-2014, 20:10. So, with the .338’s heavier bullet and a 30-year head start, it isn’t hard to understand why the 8mm had an uphill drag from the get go. 28 inch barrel at 2880 fps. Now it's Ultra Mag or Short Mag that you should look at. 7mm rem to 338 win mag resize 09-25-2010, 12:17 have a load of 7mm rem mag brass that i wont be using soon. With comparable bullet weights, the 7mm Mag. Ammo for either at any place you can buy ammo always. 375 Ruger or 338 Win Mag. Mag. Silver Tip. The 7mm-08 is a bit closer to the 308 and doesn't really come close to the ballistics of the 7mm mag. Factory ammo is everywhere, performance is something you'll take a LONG time to find limitations if ever. Case length of the .338 RUM is 2.760” (70.1mm), being .090” (2.3mm) shorter than the 7mm, .300 and .375 Ultra Magnums which have a case length of 2.850” (72.4mm). Founded by Frank Galli in 2014, Sniper’s Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to it’s users in one location. The 8mm Remington Magnum is based on a full (.375 H&H) length magnum case. That’s the year Winchester brought to market its now famous 300 Winchester Magnum. The 8mm Remington Magnum does give a slight velocity advantage over the .300 Winchester Magnum, but I highly doubt any game animal could ever tell the difference between a 180-grain .308-inch bullet at 2960 fps and a 185-grain .323-inch bullet at 3080 fps. Everyone I've talked to said to get away from the belted magnum. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, bullet weight, of energy at the muzzle. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? But I know that they can be misleading. In short, like the 7mm Rem Mag, the .300 Win Mag is an excellent cartridge that packs more performance than the .30-06 Springfield into a comparably sized package. The word mag was an old selling point. Unlike the 7mm Remington and .338 Winchester 2.5” length magnums or the intermediate length .300 Winchester Magnum, the 8mm Remington Magnum was based on the full length .375 H&H Magnum cartridge. Get the American Hunter Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. Big Stuff--7mm, 30 Cal, .338+ . Firstly, both rounds are belted mags based on the .375 H&H Magnum cases . The elk hunters I associate use a variety of calibers, including a .338 Winchester Magnum, 300 Winchester, .270 and 7 Mag. might fit the bill. Reloading manual says they are very close almost identical. The .338 Remington Ultra Magnum has a similar case capacity as the .338 Lapua Magnum and somewhat lower than that of the .338-378 Weatherby Magnum. Holding 99 grains of water, the 8 Mag. If you are not reloading .338 lapua is going to be expensive. It is, in fact, a perfectly viable cartridge for most of our hunting scenarios, but undoubtedly takes a back seat to both the .300 Magnums and the .338s. In our opinion, both sides of the 7mm Rem Mag vs. 300 Win Mag fence offers comfortable, efficient ‘seating’! Wind drift and drop are both less critical with that extra speed. Remington offered two loads for the Big Eight: a 185-grain load at 3080 fps and a 220-grain load at 2830 fps, with both loads generating just about 3,900 ft.-lbs. This video shows the difference in impact force at 1.5 miles. Both the .270 and 7mm mag. Friday, April 12, 2019. The 50s and 60s saw a barrage of new cartridges, many of them going on to become classics, but the 70s—not so much. Just wondering if anyone had experience with the .350 and how it shot and killed. Basically a 30-06 magnum. Sniper’s Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. That said, I shoot the 7mm remington magnum and just ordered a .300 winchester magnum. Much more than my .338 Lapua. Even though I do handload, sometimes I do not always have time to do so and the .338 Win has plenty of awesome factory loads for any game. Though it will continue its slide into obscurity, those fans of the 8mm Remington Magnum shall remain faithful, and for someone looking for an all-around choice which isn’t mainstream, the 8mm Rem. Thank you help me make this decision, any info would be appreciated. Win. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. This means it is restricted to use in single shot rifles, double rifles, and bolt action rifles with "magnum" length actions. 7mm Rem Mag vs 300 Win Mag: Cartridge Sizes. The 8mm Magnum spawned a respectable little family, having sired the 7mm STW (Shooting Times Westerner), the .358 STA (Shooting Times Alaskan) and one of my favorite African dangerous game cartridges, the .416 Remington Magnum. With 300 grain bullets, the win mag throws them at ~2300 fps, whil… 2)) Load both of them with exact same bullet grain weight(150, 165, or 180 grain, etc.) Each cartridge is today the most popular magnum … I’m getting excellent groups (0.18-0.20 MOA) out of my current load of 195 EOLs over Retumbo. If you could have one, which would choose? In Europe, the much older 8x68mm S offers very similar performance to the 8mm Magnum, so it is not difficult to see why the international market wasn't exactly kind to the 8mm Remington Magnum either. If it was me, and I was looking for a long range rig, I'd likely look at something like the. You can see some of the differences between the .300 Winchester Magnum and 7mm Remington Magnum cartridges in the photo below. A war’s been raging since 1963. The .270 Winchester vs. the 7mm Remington Magnum. You must log in or register to reply here. I’ve found that those who’ve adopted the 8mm Rem. Elk Cartridge Showdown: .308 Win vs. .300 Win. Both of those cartridges are based on the standard .30-06-length action, while the 8mm Remington Magnum requires the longer magnum-length action. Less drift, better barrel life, more energy on target and more impact signature. In this cartridge comparison of the 7mm Rem Mag vs .300 Win Mag, we are dealing with two cartridges that each carry loyal users and often find themselves the subject of heated debate on numerous firearm forums and within hunting lodges. The .300 Winchester Magnum has a slightly longer case length (2.62″ vs 2.5″) as well as a shoulder that sits .156" further forward than the shoulder of the 7mm Rem Mag. by Philip Massaro - I'd definitely say to look into the .300 PRC as the posters above have suggested. It looks like to me that the .338 had the edge. are great cartridges, but which one is better? The current Remington Premier factory load drives the 200 grain Swift A-Frame PSP bullet (SD .274) at a MV of 2,900 fps with a ME of 3,734 ft. lbs. The 8mm (.323-inch) bore diameter uses bullets weighing between 125 and 220 grains, and the big Remington case can certainly push them to a respectable velocity, but the immediate comparisons were drawn to both the .300 Winchester Magnum and the .338 Winchester Magnum. I'm going to sell 2 6.5 creedmoor rifles and building one from short action precision 7 Rem Mag or 300 Win Mag. Mag. 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